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Old 08-20-2015, 02:56 PM   #61
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Lippert denies all warranty claims anyway so why worry about voiding it.
That's how I look at it! Lippert will not endorse ANY modification. Bike racks were an issue back when we had our Montana. Guys would ask Lippert, and the standard answer was VOID. Finally Montana just started putting them on themselves.

I'm no lawyer - but I think before the warranty is voided, there has to be some evidence that your modification is what caused the failure, otherwise the warranty has to be fulfilled for a failure not associated with the Mod. At least that was how Montana explained it to me when we removed our manual awnings and went to electric. But then, Lippert doesn't play by the rules....
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Old 08-20-2015, 03:16 PM   #62
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That's how I look at it! Lippert will not endorse ANY modification. Bike racks were an issue back when we had our Montana. Guys would ask Lippert, and the standard answer was VOID. Finally Montana just started putting them on themselves.

I'm no lawyer - but I think before the warranty is voided, there has to be some evidence that your modification is what caused the failure, otherwise the warranty has to be fulfilled for a failure not associated with the Mod. At least that was how Montana explained it to me when we removed our manual awnings and went to electric. But then, Lippert doesn't play by the rules....
Or better yet, spelled out in the warranty that such installation will void the warranty.

Just took a quick gander at the Lippert master catalogue (don't see one for Falcon) in our library. In case you haven't seen it before, on page 27 is the language re the 200 mile brake inspection: "should be done...." Keep in mind that "should" and "shall/must" have very different meanings in the eyes of the law.

You all might want to review this manual if you haven't done so already. Has lots in information that you might find interesting and/useful.
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Old 08-20-2015, 04:17 PM   #63
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How did you figure out you needed the 33" kit? Was it as easy as measuring the wheels while the level up was not active ??
Always take the measurement with the trailer connected to your truck and the all of the leveling system retracted, the measurement should be as your Redwood will be going down the highway.
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Old 08-20-2015, 04:40 PM   #64
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Always take the measurement with the trailer connected to your truck and the all of the leveling system retracted, the measurement should be as your Redwood will be going down the highway.
Thats what i plan on doing when i get home today,, Rodney with crossroads /Redwood just emailed me saying that if morryde is telling me im a 35 with their measurements.. than im a 35... Will measure again later to end all questions..
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I'm going to measure mine again, but after reading over several different threads, It seems most or all are using the 33''.

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I just got home and hooked up the trailer... Moved forward and backward a few times to make sure all is settled... I am 35" dead on..... Mor/Ryde was right all along.... Glad I took their word and got the 35" kit
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I just got home and hooked up the trailer... Moved forward and backward a few times to make sure all is settled... I am 35" dead on..... Mor/Ryde was right all along.... Glad I took their word and got the 35" kit
I really can't see a difference between the 33 and the 35. I mean if the axles were 2" further apart, what would they do different for the equalizer ?? The outside eyes of the leaf springs make no difference, so the difference has to be with the equalizer. Dyers online shows the 35 as a special order. I might want to check again. With mine, sitting on the ground, 33" center hub to center hub.
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One more thing is in the Mor Ryde Qualification form it says that the Frame Hanger spread (FHS) which is the measurement from outside hanger hole to outside hanger hole changes with the 33 vs the 35. That measurement has nothing to do with where your axles sit on the ground. Might want to crawl underneath and take that measurement just to be sure. It is a fixed measurement.
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One more thing is in the Mor Ryde Qualification form it says that the Frame Hanger spread (FHS) which is the measurement from outside hanger hole to outside hanger hole changes with the 33 vs the 35. That measurement has nothing to do with where your axles sit on the ground. Might want to crawl underneath and take that measurement just to be sure. It is a fixed measurement.
Yes , that measurement on mine was 61" .. It should be 59" for the 33" and 61" for the 35"...
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I rechecked mine tonight with all the numbers from Mor ryde. On the ground but not hooked up. 33.5 WB and 59 3/4 hanger to hanger. That would say 33'' part#. It seems the Redwoods vary somewhat from trailer to trailer. As long as they are square it doesn't matter. It just shows no standardization at Lippert. Or is it Falcon? I still have 1 leg on the fence weather I'm going to do the 4000.

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I rechecked mine tonight with all the numbers from Mor ryde. On the ground but not hooked up. 33.5 WB and 59 3/4 hanger to hanger. That would say 33'' part#. It seems the Redwoods vary somewhat from trailer to trailer. As long as they are square it doesn't matter. It just shows no standardization at Lippert. Or is it Falcon? I still have 1 leg on the fence weather I'm going to do the 4000.

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I believe it is ALL Lippert on this one.... When I spoke to them myself , they tried telling me that they have NO IDEA Which axles Redwood puts on each coach.. For me , it does not matter as I have the answers I need to go forward and upgrade.. I am scheduled on Monday the 31st for the disc conversion , HD Shackle swap and SRE4000 add.... I will submit a report once I see the plastic bushings and stopped with the discs . .
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I rechecked mine tonight with all the numbers from Mor ryde. On the ground but not hooked up. 33.5 WB and 59 3/4 hanger to hanger. That would say 33'' part#. It seems the Redwoods vary somewhat from trailer to trailer. As long as they are square it doesn't matter. It just shows no standardization at Lippert. Or is it Falcon? I still have 1 leg on the fence weather I'm going to do the 4000.

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When I measured the wheelbase, it was 33 1/4 inches. Based on that and what others here on the forum had indicated, I ordered the SRE 4000 and Heavy Duty Shackles Kit for the 33 inch axle spacing and have been installing this week. I decided to go through the qualification form instructions yesterday and confirmed that I ordered the correct Mor/ryde kit. The hanger measurement was 59 1/2 inches.
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I rechecked mine tonight with all the numbers from Mor ryde. On the ground but not hooked up. 33.5 WB and 59 3/4 hanger to hanger. That would say 33'' part#. It seems the Redwoods vary somewhat from trailer to trailer. As long as they are square it doesn't matter. It just shows no standardization at Lippert. Or is it Falcon? I still have 1 leg on the fence weather I'm going to do the 4000.

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When I measured the wheelbase, it was 33 1/4 inches. Based on that and what others here on the forum had indicated, I ordered the SRE 4000 and Heavy Duty Shackles Kit for the 33 inch axle spacing and have been installing this week. I decided to go through the qualification form instructions yesterday and confirmed that I ordered the correct Mor/ryde kit. The hanger measurement was 59 1/2 inches.

It appears to me that Lippert (Falcon FIT) welds on the hangers for the suspension system / axles and there can be some variation (more than this retired electrical engineer would like to see) in the accuracy of the process. It does not appear to be a well controlled process to me. I need to measure the hanger spacing on both sides of the trailer to see how close are the results. My suspicion is that if it is 59 +/- 1 inch, they consider it okay!!! I should be kinder and gentler.
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I placed my order last night. Not sure when I will do the installation.

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When I measured the wheelbase, it was 33 1/4 inches. Based on that and what others here on the forum had indicated, I ordered the SRE 4000 and Heavy Duty Shackles Kit for the 33 inch axle spacing and have been installing this week. I decided to go through the qualification form instructions yesterday and confirmed that I ordered the correct Mor/ryde kit. The hanger measurement was 59 1/2 inches.

It appears to me that Lippert (Falcon FIT) welds on the hangers for the suspension system / axles and there can be some variation (more than this retired electrical engineer would like to see) in the accuracy of the process. It does not appear to be a well controlled process to me. I need to measure the hanger spacing on both sides of the trailer to see how close are the results. My suspicion is that if it is 59 +/- 1 inch, they consider it okay!!! I should be kinder and gentler.

I checked the hanger spacing on the right side of the trailer and it was 59 3/8 inches as compared to 59 1/2 inches on the left side. I guess I need to retract my statement above about a wide tolerance on Lippert's(Falcon FIT) measurements!!!

You need to be very careful about trying to measure your wheel spacing as the suspension will allow some variation in the spacing.
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