Buying "G" tires

[0nTheRoad]

Originally Posted by rcflame

I pull a 36RL with a extended cab 8'box and have never had a signal problem.

Same for my 36FB, never lose the signals to the rig.

[travelin' texans]

If TST has a booster it's built into unit, don't let CW sell you something you don't need, as said by the others no booster on mine.

[travelin' texans]

Just FYI, my G's are Goodyear G614RST LT235-85-16, so guess everyone is correct, LT & ST??

[Dave&Ginny]

I'm not going to get a tire monitoring system because I had silicon sand put in them for balancing purposes. I do have the Goodyear G tires and are very happy with them.

As far as speed goes....today while getting from New Jersey to Maine, there were a few times I was going 75+mph just keeping up with traffic.

[Blue Dogs]

The 614's are speed rated at 75 mph, St's are speed rated at 65 mph. It is sold as a trailer tire and not a truck tire so I think you are correct it is a LT/ST hybrid tire for trailers.

[spindrift]

Is it possible that the "RST" designation has nothing to do with the tire rating? Maybe it means something like Radial Shallow Tread. Any proper explanation of a tire rating that I've seen is a prefix designation immediately before the tire size. Any tire experts?

[Blue Dogs]

Originally Posted by spindrift

Is it possible that the "RST" designation has nothing to do with the tire rating? Maybe it means something like Radial Shallow Tread. Any proper explanation of a tire rating that I've seen is a prefix designation immediately before the tire size. Any tire experts?

I'm sure that's the case, the odd thing is "LT" stands for light truck yet the tire is not a truck tire and not marketed as such, it's a 75 mph speed rated Trailer tire. Maybe they used the LT designation because the speed rating is higher than the 65 mph of the "ST" (Special Trailer) designated tire?

[0nTheRoad]

Originally Posted by Dave&Ginny

I'm not going to get a tire monitoring system because I had silicon sand put in them for balancing purposes. I do have the Goodyear G tires and are very happy with them.

Dave,

Tell me more about the silicon sand balancing? And why do you feel a TPMS would not benefit you because of the sand/beads?

[atom ant]

The G614 is re-cappable as well. Wonder if anyone has done that?

[atom ant]

Originally Posted by lwg

I can't imagine an LT tire being better. If that were the case then RV manufacturers who use the G614 would likely go with an appropriately rated LT tire as they are much cheaper than these Goodyear tires.

The problem with the LT tires, is there are no tires in a 16" that can match the axle weight rating. I'm just glad Redwood stuck with the Goodyear tires, as SOB that are forced into a G rated tire are using some imports.

[johnboytoo]

In our case a tpms might not have helped because one second it was fine and the next was an explosion according to my buddies following...

As far as balancing, we tried these on our excursion, but couldn't really quantify any difference...

[Dave&Ginny]

Originally Posted by Blue Dogs

I'm sure that's the case, the odd thing is "LT" stands for light truck yet the tire is not a truck tire and not marketed as such, it's a 75 mph speed rated Trailer tire. Maybe they used the LT designation because the speed rating is higher than the 65 mph of the "ST" (Special Trailer) designated tire?

I was told from the tire shop that these are very expensive tires and that they were originally designed for the UPS, beverage trucks and other smaller freight trucks. That's why they're provable and why they have a "core value". My guy said it would cost around $150 per tire to re-grove them.

[Dave&Ginny]

Originally Posted by 0nTheRoad

Dave,

Tell me more about the silicon sand balancing? And why do you feel a TPMS would not benefit you because of the sand/beads?

The sand or beads are usually used in big trucks to keep them balanced. I had a hell of a time getting my truck tires balance so I went with the sand. It worked wonderfully so I also put it in the Redwood tires. Once it's in the tire, you never have to worry about the tire going out of balance by throwing weights. The down side is that I don't think it would be healthy for a tire sensor.


On the trip I'm on now, the tires have worked well until I approach the 80mph. Then then I started getting the vibrations. I was curious if I could drive out of it with more speed but it continued past 90 so I gave up.

[0nTheRoad]

Dave, you had your rig up over 90mph...dude, thats way to scary for me!!!

Not sure hoe the sand would interfere with the sensors unless it would block airflow t=o the valve? the sensors screw on to the valve stem, put pressure on the valve thus allowing the air to hit the sensors.

[lwg]

Originally Posted by johnboytoo

In our case a tpms might not have helped because one second it was fine and the next was an explosion according to my buddies following...

An over temp blowout could happen like that. You'd get some notice of excessive temps or pressure and you'd likely pull over before it became catastrophic.

[rcflame]

On the 3 Goodyear G's that I have had throw the tread, there has been no warning. The tire pressure and temp have been within settings. There is no alarm until after the tread goes, and sometimes not even than. We have had where the tread goes, but the tire doesn't go flat.

[RedwoodRebelYYC]

Originally Posted by Dave&Ginny

The sand or beads are usually used in big trucks to keep them balanced. I had a hell of a time getting my truck tires balance so I went with the sand. It worked wonderfully so I also put it in the Redwood tires. Once it's in the tire, you never have to worry about the tire going out of balance by throwing weights. The down side is that I don't think it would be healthy for a tire sensor.


On the trip I'm on now, the tires have worked well until I approach the 80mph. Then then I started getting the vibrations. I was curious if I could drive out of it with more speed but it continued past 90 so I gave up.

How much added weight does the sand add?

[Dave&Ginny]

They only put 6 or 8 ounces of the silicon sand in each tire. As the tires spin, the sand somehow goes in the right places to balance the tire. There are other methods too. In the South warm climates they use a liquid but it will freeze if you drive in a cold climate. There's also powder (tire flower) but they don't recommend it for trailer tires due to condensation from lack of driving. The powder turns to rock after mixing with water. The best is the ceramic beads that are the size of a bb.

All of these methods are primarily used in larger tires and can not be used if you have any type of factory pressure sensors. This type of balancing is also catching on in the motorcycle world. There are several videos on the internet.

[lwg]

To Dave's point, an alternative to the sand are the plastic air soft BB's. We used to use those in our large off-road tires for our buggies for which there was no other way to balance. Additionally they are likely large enough not to risk clogging a TPMS sensor.

There's tons of information on the Internet about this. For the relatively small tires on the Redwood would probably only need a few ounces in each tire.

[Titan Guy]

Sand, beads, liquids, anything added to the inside of the tire may void the tire warranty. I say "may" because it is an arbitrary call by the manufacturer where they would determine the cause of failure. All tire mfg. that I am aware of specifically address this and dealers use this to get out of dealing with a potential warranty issue.

This is Bridgestone Warranty but all have the same exclusion. page 33 item#5

5. Tires with sealant, balance, or other  ller material
that was not originally applied or inserted by the
tire manufacturer

http://www.bridgestonetire.com/conte...ty_EN_2014.pdf