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Old 09-12-2016, 02:24 PM   #1
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roof issues ??

While on the roof this weekend , I noticed the bubbles.... I have never had bubbles before , some of them are 8"-9" in length . .



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Old 09-12-2016, 04:29 PM   #2
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Roof Issues

I had the same thing on my 2015 38GK. RW replaced it under warranty. Take it back to Indiana if possible. If not your dealer can do it. But get it done ASAP!
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Crossroads responded , they said they would NOTE the condition , and said it was normal.. They told me to check my roof sealant.. I questioned weather or not this should be OK on a 2016 unit ?? I would think that 8-9 inch bubbles would not fall into the "NORMAL" category .. We will see what the dealer says next week. They have it scheduled for 2 small warranty issues
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That is absolutely NOT normal. They will only get worse as the aerodynamic forces act on the membrane as you're going on down the road. Normal?! Someone should be fired.
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Mine looks somewhat like that - and during my factory service back in March - they said it looks normal.... I will get some pictures of mine tomorrow morning and post them.

This past weekend on my travels to San Antonio - I saw SOB trailer where the roofing was bubbled up about 2 feet in the air, left to right and back about 4 feet.. Too bad they were heading the other direction, I would have tried to stop them...

Sounds like its time to get my GoPro and mount it to the roof w/ my "remote control" on my cell phone and do some recording/monitoring, during my next trip in 5 weeks.
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NOHING normal about that since the complete membrane should be adhered with a contact cement type adhesive and rolled out. The plywood roof acts like a sponge and soaks the adhesive in before they get the membrane installed and this is what happens. They need to work quicker or second coat it as the first will act like a sealer but wait a minute.... That means RW will have to spend more on adhesive so this won't change!
The installers did not use enough adhesive hands down!!!!!!

They DON"T CARE what they build and maybe your roof was done on a Friday afternoon!!!!

Sorry to see this Joe and hope all works out for you.

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NOHING normal about that since the complete membrane should be adhered with a contact cement type adhesive and rolled out. The plywood roof acts like a sponge and soaks the adhesive in before they get the membrane installed and this is what happens. They need to work quicker or second coat it as the first will act like a sealer but wait a minute.... That means RW will have to spend more on adhesive so this won't change!
The installers did not use enough adhesive hands down!!!!!!

They DON"T CARE what they build and maybe your roof was done on a Friday afternoon!!!!

Sorry to see this Joe and hope all works out for you.

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Thanks Steve,
The funny thing is, I was just on the roof now and there is zero signs of any bubbles .. I crawled around on my hands and knees .. Saturday when I saw them, it was about 100 .. I cannot find a single trace of anything ..
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Since my roof billowed up in the front, I look at other trailers now when I am traveling down the road, I see lots of trailers of all brands and models with roof membranes billowing up full of air going down the road.

This past weekend coming up from Tampa FL to Atlanta GA, I saw at least 4 trailers heading south on I-75 with roof membranes billowed up !!!
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The funny thing is, I was just on the roof now and there is zero signs of any bubbles .. I crawled around on my hands and knees .. Saturday when I saw them, it was about 100 .. I cannot find a single trace of anything ..
Curious what the temp was when you conducted the second visual inspection. If significantly cooler, it seems that something is out gassing causing the membrane to lift from the wood decking where the adhesive is not bonding. If true, plan on taking it to the dealer at the hottest point in the day! I think these RW roofs are a weaker link than the suspension! I am more worried about my roof than anything else on my RW.

I had an old Coachman TT with the EPDM roof and did not have a single issue in 6 years of ownership. Heck I never even had to re caulk anything! I am not so sure I am a big fan of these TPO roof materials.
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my follow up inspection was Sunday night.. probably 80 -82 degrees ?? not in direct sun , but still light out
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Well that implies it is heat related phenomenon. Hopefully they will not fight you on this one but I am afraid if you take it to the dealer under cool conditions they will say "we do not see a problem" as there will be nothing to see. Not that I am not suggesting this, but I would bet anything that if you stuck a pin in one of the bubbles the gas would immediately dissipate and the bubble would disappear. Over time I think this degassing will stop but then again I am not an expert!
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The folks over at Crossroads told me this morning that there does not seem to be any huge irregularities with my roof. They said that they noted it in my file , this way if something happens after warranty , it will be treated as it was found within the first 2 years . .
Like I stated before , I have an appointment to drop it off at my dealer next week for 2 small warranty items , I will ask them to look up there 1 hotter day , around 3:30pm . . .
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The folks over at Crossroads told me this morning that there does not seem to be any huge irregularities with my roof. They said that they noted it in my file , this way if something happens after warranty , it will be treated as it was found within the first 2 years . .
Like I stated before , I have an appointment to drop it off at my dealer next week for 2 small warranty items , I will ask them to look up there 1 hotter day , around 3:30pm . . .
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I would have someone send me a email that they documented it and that if there is a problem that it was covered under the warranty. Not that I don't trust them but I like it in writing.
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I would have someone send me a email that they documented it and that if there is a problem that it was covered under the warranty. Not that I don't trust them but I like it in writing.

They did send me an email stating exactly that...
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I have said it before and I'll say it again...

With most RVs the roof is one of the most fragile part of the RV. I believe the weight savings that RV companies try to obtain leads to this problem. Over the years they've gone from aluminum that had to be sealed each year to rubber, vinyl and now a high bred of a vinyl/rubber.

The problem is that water penetration is cancer to RVs
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Crossroads responded , they said they would NOTE the condition , and said it was normal.. They told me to check my roof sealant.. I questioned weather or not this should be OK on a 2016 unit ?? I would think that 8-9 inch bubbles would not fall into the "NORMAL" category .. We will see what the dealer says next week. They have it scheduled for 2 small warranty issues
Hey Joe, having exact problem you have described verbatim, can you tell me who you contacted at Crossroads, so I can send pictures and get mine documented by email also for future issued if needed. I use the Dicor cleaner and Sealant. Hope all is well with you and your family, we are wintering in Titusville Fl @ Great Outdoors, hope our paths cross again.
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I've started to notice some on mine as well. We were leaving Albuquerque the other morning and it was cool outside and I noticed some when I climbed up to sweep leaves off the slides. They were only here and there and not over the whole surface. When we arrived at Palo Duro Canyon it was quite a bit warmer, I climbed up to take another look and they were gone. At that point I thought it might have something to do with the cool weather. Yesterday it was warm and I climbed up to take another look and they were back...

I'll probably be calling Crossroads as well to at least try and have them document it in case it becomes a problem I need the future.
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Hey Joe, having exact problem you have described verbatim, can you tell me who you contacted at Crossroads, so I can send pictures and get mine documented by email also for future issued if needed. I use the Dicor cleaner and Sealant. Hope all is well with you and your family, we are wintering in Titusville Fl @ Great Outdoors, hope our paths cross again.

Hello Jeff,
Hope the health is still well! Here is the guy i had contact with- twoodiel@crossroadsrv.com
He documented everything in my file..
His name is Tom... enjoy Florida, and until we cross paths again, be well
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